Conversations about the badness of involuntary suffering

I have the intuition that voluntary suffering might not be bad. This is primarily due to personal experience: I often feel sad (sympathy) when I encounter sad stories or sad situations, but I don’t have the intuition that this is bad for me, because I don’t feel like I ought to look away or stop feeling sad in response to these and I often feel like thinking/learning/reading more about these situations even if I feel more sadness because of it (and I usually do). This happens to me with both real and fictional situations (I was a fan of tragedies for a while). Furthermore, sometimes in the past, when I’ve been depressed about my own life, I didn’t want to be happy and even preferred to be miserable.

It’s suffering that’s bad, intrinsically (though suffering can be instrumentally good)

I’m a hedonistic utilitarian, and I think that even voluntary suffering is be intrinsically bad, as long as it’s still suffering at that point.

Buddhism would say that if you experience sadness without craving that the sadness go away, you continue to feel sadness but you don’t suffer from it.

My intuition is that suffering is bad, but sometimes (all things considered) I prefer to suffer in a particular instance (e.g. in service of some other value). In such cases it would be better for my welfare if I did not suffer, but I still prefer to.

I think we don’t quite have the words to distinguish between all these things in English, but in my mind there’s something like

  • pain – the experience of negative valence
  • suffering – the experience of pain (i.e. the experience of the experience of negative valence)
  • expected suffering – the experience of pain that was expected, so you only suffer for the pain itself
  • unexpected suffering – the experience of pain that was not expected, so you suffer both the pain itself and the pain of suffering itself from it not being expected and thus having negative valence

Of them all, unexpected suffering is the worst because it involves both pain and meta-pain.

I noticed that reading only “positive” and “joyous” stories eventually feel empty. The answer seem that sad elements in a story bring more depth than the fun/joyous ones. In that sense, sadness in stories act as a signal of deepness, but also a way to access some deeper part of our emotions and internal life.

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On Transhumanism and Philosophy by Phil Torres

We have a pretty good sense of how digestion works. And our grasp of thermodynamics is excellent. We know that there are three bones – the smallest in our bodies – in the middle ear, and that stars produce light because of thermonuclear fusion. While I’m skeptical of “progressionist” claims that the human condition has inexorably improved since the Neolithic revolution (the proliferation of technology-related existential risks being one reason for skepticism), it seems that science has made genuine progress.

The knowledge we now have about what the universe is like and how it works1 far exceeds that of our ancestors – even just a few generations ago.

One finds the exact opposite situation in philosophy. There has been little to no significant progress on many of the most fundamental issues, such as the nature of causation, the self, knowledge, the a priori, meaning, and even consciousness. (Note that a causal explanation is not the same as a constitutive one; brain-thought correlations do not tell us what consciousness is!) Why would this be?

Does the stagnation of philosophy suggest that its problems are intrinsically hard – perhaps even more difficult to apprehend than, say, black holes and quantum tunneling? Some philosophers answer “No – or at least not necessarily.” It might be that the question of what exactly causes are is incredibly easy to answer, except that the answer includes one or more concepts that our three pound Jell-O brains simply can’t grasp ahold of. Not in the sense that an ancient relative of ours would find it hard to grasp what “radioactive decay” refers to, but in the sense that a dog could never, in principle, make sense of the concept of a stock market – or a quark, or a palindrome. The mental machinery pumping out thoughts in the dog’s tiny skull simply doesn’t have the conceptual resources to get these ideas.

Philosophers call this ineluctable situation “cognitive closure,” and we may distinguish two versions of it. The first involves having the mental capacity to ask a question but not to answer it. It appears that this is the case with a range of philosophical topics, from causation to consciousness, knowledge to meaning. The answers seem to dangle in front of our minds’ eyes, yet no matter how hard we struggle to clutch them they continually evade our reach.

The second kind of closure is defined by the inability to even ask the question, much less answer it. This is the cognitive prison our canine friends find themselves in with respect to quarks and palindromes. Their predicament is marked by a second-order ignorance – ignorance of their ignorance of concepts X, Y, and Z. In Rumsfeldian terms, the concepts aren’t merely “unknown unknowns” but “unknowable unknowns.” They lie forever beyond the horizon of intelligibility.

As just alluded to, the boundary between “mysteries” (perennial unknowns) and “problems” (in principle knowable even if currently unknown) is entirely relative to types of minds. It is, in other words, a species-specific distinction: the boundary line is drawn differently for Canis lupus than for Homo sapiens. It follows from this relativism that a superintelligence – whether taking the form of a cognitively enhanced cyborg or a wholly artificial machine – could potentially have access to a vastly expanded library of concepts that are permanently unavailable to us.

As such, it could grasp a range of ideas, beliefs, theories, hypotheses, explanations, and so on, that we can’t even begin to fathom. Thus if “we” – meaning us and our posthuman progeny – want to actually make some progress in philosophy, it may be that the only way forward is through the creation of minds that are superintelligent. This is essentially what the transhumanist philosopher Mark Walker has proposed: rather than dumb down the questions, smarten up the thinker.2 In his words, “The idea … is that it is not we who ought to abandon philosophy, but that philosophy ought to abandon us.” Call this inflationism.

The transhumanist literature distinguishes between “strong” and “weak” supersmarts, where the former is qualitative and the second quantitative.3 The situation above involves superintelligence of the strong variety (although it doesn’t preclude the other kind). But weak superintelligence could also be incredibly useful for philosophy. Why? Because – they are institutionally permitted to examine the “big picture”— to work towards an understanding of “how things in the broadest possible sense of the term hang together in the broadest possible sense of the term,” as Wilfrid Sellars put it.

The difficulty in achieving this stems from the word “broadest.” While collective human knowledge has undergone an exponential climb in the past several centuries, our individual capacities have remained more or less fixed. The result is that the relative ignorance of individuals is at an all-time high.4 You and I and even the most polymathic scholar are pathetically unaware of truly oceanic realms of “known knowables.”5 This prevents us from seeing the big picture. The two primary constraints here are memory – use it or lose it! – and time – even with eidetic abilities the day just ain’t long enough.

​But a weak superintelligence could rectify this problem of “size.” Although it would not be able to think any new (in kind) thoughts about the peculiar nature and workings of reality, it could potentially “remember” every fact, theory, and notion that humanity has so far registered as knowledge. Furthermore, since an AI would by definition be running on hardware in which components communicate at roughly the speed of light, it could easily overcome the time constraint as well.

Putting this all together, a mind that’s superintelligent in both the weak and strong senses has the potential to satisfy Sellars’ aim of “seeing the whole picture,” as well as to solve the still-unanswered, age-old philosophical questions about life, the universe, and everything. Perhaps the transhumanist agenda offers the only path to philosophical enlightenment.

1 I.e., the properties of objects that exist in the cosmos and their various causal relations.

2 A superintelligence might also make progress in scientific areas like fundamental physics, where a “theory of everything” still eludes us, and the best proposed idea so far posits spatial dimensions beyond the three of length, width, and height – dimensions that are, at best, only vaguely intelligible to even the brightest minds.

3 I’m expanding the definition of a weak superintelligence to including not only information processing speed but information organization and retention as well.

4 That is, precisely because our collective knowledge is at an all-time high.

5 We are thus forced to rely on a complex hierarchy of divided cognitive labor to navigate the intellectual landscape, since we can’t do it on our own.

Source: https://ieet.org/index.php/IEET2/more/torres20141003

Mutations in sodium-channel gene SCN9A cause a spectrum of human genetic pain disorders

Individuals with congenital indifference to pain have painless injuries beginning in infancy but otherwise normal sensory responses upon examination. Perception of passive movement, joint position, and vibration is normal, as are tactile thresholds and light touch perception. There is intact ability to distinguish between sharp and dull stimuli and to detect differences in temperature. The insensitivity to pain does not appear to be due to axonal degeneration, as the nerves appear to be normal upon gross examination (8). The complications of the disease follow the inability to feel pain, and most individuals will have injuries to lip or tongue caused by biting themselves in the first 4 years of life. Patients have frequent bruises and cuts, usually have a history of fractures that go unnoticed, and are often only diagnosed because of limping or lack of use of a limb. The literature contains very colorful descriptions of patients with congenital inability to perceive any form of pain.

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Should fish feel pain? A plant perspective by by František Baluška

Plants are not usually thought to be very active behaviorally, but the evidence suggests otherwise. Moreover, in stressful situations, plants produce numerous chemicals that have painkilling and anesthetic properties. Finally, plants, when treated with anesthetics, cannot execute active behaviors such as touch-induced leaf movements or rapid trap closures after localizing animal prey

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Synesthesia as unusual sense, by Craig Weinberg

“The fact of synesthesia (the experience of multiple and unusual sense modalities associated with events that are commonly experienced with one sense modality) shows that there need not be any connection between physical conditions and consciousness. Someone might play a piano and see musical notes at the same time, and that would be a form of synesthesia, but they are still seeing something visible and hearing something audible. I think it’s useful to distinguish visible (Aesthetic Qualia) from optical (Anesthetic Physical Mechanism) and audible (AQ) from sonic (APM). All sense qualia can be separated from physics or information this way.”

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Farmed Salmon May Be Depressed

Researchers find that growth-stunted farmed salmon show chronic serotonergic activity and do not respond to acute stress — a state that could be interpreted as depression.

In the vertebrate brain, serotonin mediated signaling is vital for several key physiological functions such as the body’s energy regulation, neural plasticity, behavioral and emotional control, and responses to stress. However, prolonged serotonin activation is associated with chronic stress and stress-induced pathologies in mammals. Such states include depression-like behaviors. This paper represents the first physiological data, showing that growth-stunted commercially farmed salmon have elevated serotonergic activity; what’s more, this is determined as the main characteristic of the growth-stunted phenotype. Compared to healthy fishes, these salmon are suggested to experience chronic stress. In fact, the researchers show that the fishes’ brains are not responsive to additional acute stress, representing a classic example of when regulatory mechanisms are unable to react to further challenges, indicating a depressive state.

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How a nervous system operates without giving rise to an experience

In our bodies, if our knee is lightly tapped, our leg moves automatically (with no intention on our part) and independently of the experience of the tap that we sense.  The information that originates in our knee, with the tap, splits up and moves through two separate pathways: one path goes to our brain through the spinal cord, where it is processed to produce the corresponding experience; the other path involves a different circuit, going through the spinal cord to the muscles that operate the leg, without ever reaching the brain. In the second path, the information takes a much shorter direct route to enable our body to react quickly to the stimulus (‘reflex arc’). There is a good reason why this dual mechanism exists. There are cases where some part of the body will be endangered by a slow reaction to an external threat. If we had to think about moving because of pain, rather than responding automatically, we might not act quickly enough to avoid harm.

What is relevant here is that the information transmitted through this ‘reflex arc’ is never experienced because it is never processed by a central nervous system. The non-centralized nervous systems of some animals operate just as reflex arcs do. Information is transmitted from the cells receiving certain stimuli to other cells which must be activated, without any involvement of subjective experience. In these cases, there is a merely mechanical transmission of information. Such reactions are not an indication of sentience.

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No binding, no suffering

Plants don’t suffer. Their fictitious misery should not be used to justify the real misery of our nonhuman animal victims. “But how do you know plants don’t suffer?!” says the meat-eater, affecting a touching concern for the well-being vegetables. “Science proves plants feel pain!”

But no. Suppose that consciousness is fundamental in Nature, or at least to individual cells. Plant cells are encased in thick cellulose cell walls. So they aren’t phenomenally-bound subjects of experience. Organisms such as plants without the capacity for rapid self-propelled motion haven’t evolved the energetically expensive nervous-systems needed to support phenomenal binding. No binding = no suffering.

A lot of computer scientists and natural scientists are implicitly epiphenomenalists – though they probably wouldn’t use the term. But epiphenomena don’t have the causal power to inspire discussions on their existence.

Even so, might consciousness be a spandrel? What’s consciousness evolutionarily “for” – other than inspiring useless philosophical discussions? Well, imagine if we were just 86 billion odd classical neurons, as textbook neuroscience suggests. Phenomenal binding would be impossible. So we wouldn’t be able to experience individual perceptual objects. There would be no unity of perception nor unity of the self. We couldn’t run phenomenal world-simulations. Indeed, a micro-experiential zombie would soon starve or get eaten.

Yet how is phenomenal binding possible?

— David Pearce

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Richard Dawkins about suffering in nature

“The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive; others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear; others are being slowly devoured from within by rasping parasites; thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst and disease.”

Richard Dawkins